LOOKING FOR HEMINGWAY: GAY TALESE TALKS OF BOOKS AND MEN
Gay Talese
One of the most famous American novelists, short-story writers
and essayists, Ernest Hemingway (1899-1961) won both the Nobel
and Pulitzer prizes. His deceptively simple prose style has
influenced and inspired a wide range of writers of his generation
and beyond.
Gay Talese is the bestselling author of eleven books. He
was a reporter for the New York Times from 1956 to 1965,
and since then he has written for the Times, Esquire, The
New Yorker, Harper's Magazine, and other national
publications. Gay Talese was born in Ocean City, New Jersey,
and currently lives in New York City. His groundbreaking article "Frank
Sinatra Has a Cold" was named the "best story Esquire ever
published," and he was credited by Tom Wolfe with the creation
of an inventive form of nonfiction writing called "The New
Journalism."
His most recent book is A
Writer's Life, which was published by Knopf in 2006
and was reissued in trade paperback by The Random House Publishing
Group in July 2007.
Q: Ernest Hemingway did away with the florid prose of
the 19th century and pioneered a new style of writing -- simple,
clear, direct, and unadorned. Which contemporary writers of
note have been influenced the most by Hemingway?
A: (Norman) Mailer was an obvious example, as are other novelists,
for example Irwin Shaw, author of "Young
Lions," "The Troubled Air," "Girls in their
Summer Dresses", "The 80-Yard Run," etc.
Hemingway introduced a new style of writing, one that I don't
think preceded him in earlier writers. He seemed to carve, chisel
each word, each paragraph. It suggested simplicity, when in fact
it was anything but simple to do. I read somewhere that Hemingway
wrote and re-wrote each sentence numerous times in an effort
to get it in a form acceptable to him. He was a great craftsman,
but he was cutting through the territory as a pioneer. There
were no maps to guide him, though he did acknowledge the influence
of great people before him. "Mr. Tolstoy" was how he referred
to one of them, with deference and respect for the Russian master.
Still, nobody could do it like Hemingway.
Q: When you started out as a writer yourself, was Hemingway
an inspiration to you? If so, how? If not, what was it about
his writing that did not impact an aspiring writer?
A: He was a writer that I, as well as the entire generation
of post-war writers, respected greatly, but I always thought
that it would have been ridiculous to write like him, because
it would not come across as anything but imitation, fake, a poor "copy" of
the real thing.
Q: "A writer's style," Hemingway once said, "should
be direct and personal, his imagery rich and earthy, and his
words simple and vigorous." Does this kind of style resonate
with you personally?
A: Hemingway's style never resonated with me personally. My
style was (and remains) the opposite of Hemingway's. I write
long sentences, try to under-write, never over-state. Some of
my contemporaries (Tom Wolfe, Hunter Thompson) over-state, for
effect, but they have unique styles. Neither is easy to imitate
but that has not stopped lots of young writers from looking foolish
trying to write like Wolfe and Thompson.
Q: By the same token, what is your opinion about Hemingway's
Iceberg Theory ("If a writer knows enough about what he is
writing about, he may omit things that he knows. The dignity
of movement of an iceberg is due to only one ninth of it being
above water.") Does that approach translate into compelling
and gripping writing?
A: Yes, I subscribe to the Hemingway iceberg theory. It does
translate into compelling writing.
Q: Hemingway had four rules for writing: use short
sentences, use short paragraphs, use vigorous English, and
be positive, not negative. What do you think of this kind
of writing style?
A: The four rules apply, most particularly to Hemingway, who
proposed those rules. They certainly worked well for him. But
me? Other people? I don't think so. I don't think any rules apply
really. Great writers, good writers, worthy writers make their
own rules, and effectively communicate with readers. Some of
the noteworthy stylists are (Truman) Capote, (J.D.) Salinger,
Philip Roth, and William Styron, to name a few. None of them
was out of Hemingway's school of rule-making.
Q: Hemingway drew heavily on his experiences in much
of his writing. Is it important for a writer to rely on his
or her personal experiences? Does a reader relate more to this
kind of reality-based approach than to pure fiction?
A. Yes, experience is essential. So many books of the younger
writers (1960s through the 21st century) are, as Tom Wolfe pointed
out in a criticism of modern fiction, the work of people who
had no experience, and who wrote essentially about nothing important.
Wolfe said these writers stayed on campuses for too long, and
never got outside of their interior world or their privileged
private circles. Hemingway was "out there," always.
Q: How much of your own work is based on personal experience?
A: Almost all of it.
Q: The Old Man and the Sea, which won the Pulitzer
Prize in 1952, is the ultimate example of Hemingway's sparse
and subtle writing. The Sun Also Rises (1926) and A
Farewell to Arms (1929) were included on a 1998 list
of the top one hundred novels of the twentieth century. Do
you have your own favorite Hemingway work?
A: I certainly salute these three works, along with dozens
of his short stories and his early journalism. He wrote non-fiction
very, very well
Q: Another of Hemingway's famous quotes is "It's none
of their business that you have to learn how to write. Let
them think you were born that way." So here's a question:
are writers born or made?
A: Writers are made by themselves, through writing and re-writing.
Q: How does a young aspiring writer "discover" his
or her own style and voice?
A: By writing and re-writing, and sooner or later - if you
keep at it - your own style will emerge. Young impressionable
writers tend to be swayed by their elders, especially famous
writers, but this will not take any aspiring writer far. One
must lay claim to one's own style and there's no shortcut.
It comes after much work, much patience and persistence.